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gitano 02-19-2016 08:37 PM

Re: Winchester Universal Shotshells
 
What I don't know about shotgun wads fills volumes.

I can say that I use "obturator" wads with all of my black powder 16 ga loads. Just "makes sense" to me IF the shot cup I'm using doesn't have a built-in over-powder wad.

Paul

sakorick 02-23-2016 09:13 PM

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Shotgun load are not finicky. My current 1 1/8 ounce load using Longshot has a 3 grain window without much change in F/sec. More important is decent wad pressure on the powder(20-40) and a good crimp. The most important stages in SG reloading are the last two stages......Pre-crimp and crimp.Once mastered they will look like this.

farmboy 02-23-2016 09:17 PM

Re: Winchester Universal Shotshells
 
Nice looking crimps!

sakorick 02-24-2016 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by farmboy (Post 143417)
Nice looking crimps!

Thanks. It takes many fine adjustments and a little patience. If you get it set up perfectly and change either wad or hull you have to start over. STANDARDIZATION: So once I perfect a load, I buy wads and shot in great numbers and my worries are over. Right now I have 3000 WAA20 F1 20 gauge wads(yellow) and 2000 WAA12 ounce 1&1/8 (white) on hand. I use the same Fiocchi 209 primers, AA hulls and Hodgdon Longshot powder for all my 12 and 20 gauge field and target reloads. A good idea is to mark all dies with a paint line that indexes the dies. I can spot one getting a loose nut immediately and avoid do overs. I also marked the tubes with load information so when the grandsons start reloading they will know eggzactly what the recipe is and approximately how much powder and shot is needed per box.

farmboy 02-28-2016 10:38 AM

Re: Winchester Universal Shotshells
 
Back to the universal hulls. Last night I was trying to setup to load twenty gauge shells I was getting quite a few that were splitting the hull. They were once fired hulls. So for the heck of it I grabbed on of the universal hulls and tryed loading it. It was going to be disposed of no matter what but I was wondering if the hulls I was using were to briddle so when I tried loading the universal hull even though it was shorter and supported in pw full length sizing die it bulged above the brass. Those hulls are in the burning barrel.

sakorick 02-28-2016 09:58 PM

Re: Winchester Universal Shotshells
 
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Originally Posted by farmboy (Post 143509)
Back to the universal hulls. Last night I was trying to setup to load twenty gauge shells I was getting quite a few that were splitting the hull. They were once fired hulls. So for the heck of it I grabbed on of the universal hulls and tryed loading it. It was going to be disposed of no matter what but I was wondering if the hulls I was using were to briddle so when I tried loading the universal hull even though it was shorter and supported in pw full length sizing die it bulged above the brass. Those hulls are in the burning barrel.

So what hulls were you starting out with? were they WAA, Remington green/ gold or universal? If none of the above, then you were starting out with junk. If you had a bunch that were splitting, your load may be too stout.

farmboy 02-28-2016 10:22 PM

Re: Winchester Universal Shotshells
 
They were cheddite hulls. Bought loaded ammo shot the trap loads and that is what I was trying to use.

sakorick 02-29-2016 09:49 AM

Re: Winchester Universal Shotshells
 
I know one thing and one thing only about hulls......

Hulls. Every reloader I know uses either Remington Premier STS, Nitro Gold or Winchester AA for reloading. The reason is simple..... those 3 hulls use the same AA components so you don't need bags of odd lot wads laying around. They cost a little more but last forever and make near perfect factory crimps. The new style AA hull has a plastic sleeve which holds the powder. These hulls require a new WAA wad that is tapered on the end to slide over the lip of the sleeve. I suppose some day I will use up all my AA hulls and switch over to Remington. I reloaded 2 boxes of Remington Nitro golds last week and they are outstanding. Get ahold of a range up there(trap, skeet or Sporting Clays) and get you hands on those hulls and your reloading woes will be over.

Wads. Either Claybuster WTW-12 Replacement wad or Post PC(pattern control) win length.

Primers. Winchester 209, CCI or Fiocchi 209 replacement

Powder. Hodgdon Longshot for heavy field or Titewad, Clays or Universal for target, doves, Quail, Grouse woodcock etc. Alliant Red dot and green dot 2028 for 20 /28 gauge, Accurate Solo 100 and IMR 700X & 800X

For 20 and 28 gauge the same wad companies, primers and powder. For 410 bore, Hodgdon Lil Gun.

Notes: You just can't beat the Hodgdon powders for versatility. Keep in mind when you deviate from 1 1/8 ounce in 12 gauge, 1 ounce in 20 and 3/4 ounce in 28 you need a different wad so try to keep things standardized when possible. Fiocchi primers work fine in light loads but don't have the horses to ignite heavy and magnum field loads....stick with Win and CCI's for the big boys especially when using longshot.

Here is a good price on premium Remingtons......doesn't get any better than this.

http://www.brownells.com/ammunition/...prod43209.aspx


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