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PlushHunter
08-02-2005, 02:11 PM
Ok guys iam in the market in looking for a good gun for shooting animals size of squrils up to coyotes and will be using it at night i already got a 223 outfited with a 6.5-24x 50mm scope for long range but iam wondering what some of you that maye have the savage 17hmr think about it... prefer bull barrel

Range for coyotes ect and if its good for hunting in dark for fox's and coyotes and how far i can shoot pesty birds with one... thnx

John
Team G-Bow

Gmoney
08-02-2005, 02:55 PM
You'll hear many different suggestions for and against an HMR......we all have different experiences with it....my personal experiences say that an HMR is not at all a coyote gun or even a fox gun.....a good "pesty bird" gun and squirrel gun as well as other small game....just not "big" enough for a 100% kill on coyote and fox sized game.....

Your .223 will work well for the aboce mentioned night and fox/coyote shooting....I shoot a .204 Ruger for my short and long range varminting....

If you are looking for a close range varmint/small critter gun I'd say your perfect fit would be a .22 hornet.....capable of killing coyote/fox sized game up to 100 yds or so as well as everything else you mentioned.....low recoil, noise and I'd say just about perfect for your applications.....

PlushHunter
08-02-2005, 03:37 PM
cant use centerfires on public land here and thats another reason iam looking at 17hmr no centerfires on public land i know 223 is good for night just got one spot i can use it and cant go other huntig places

Gmoney
08-02-2005, 03:43 PM
Got ya....that said I still prefer a .22 mag to an HMR.....but with both rimfires I would be cautious of using it on game on the size you want it to be used for....my .02 my friend... oh and welcome to THL....hope you can drop in when you have the time....

Daryl (deceased)
08-02-2005, 04:56 PM
The HMR isn't a coyote cartridge.

This subject has been pounded to death, and anyone who won't accept the above ought to just go out and find it out for themselves.

It'll handle the rest of the critters you mention, but won't work consistently or reliably on coyote sized animals.

Daryl

PlushHunter
08-02-2005, 05:28 PM
what bout fox's and smaller cause if the 17 cant take coyotes i might just goto 22 lr i have killed 50 plus coyotes with a 22 lr at 50 yards and id sure hope a 17hmr can kill them at 50 yards im not talking far at all just need a gun for public land for varmints cause i wont shoot them with shotgun anymore since i have ruined many furs with shotgun

Gmoney
08-02-2005, 06:40 PM
See above posts and I will not even comment on using a 22lr for coyotes.......

YoteBuster
08-02-2005, 08:34 PM
For your particular situation, where rimfires are mandated, the 17 HMR is the best choice. Like has been mentioned over and over again, and I concur, the HMR is not the cartridge of choice for coyotes, but, when a rimfire is all you can use, thats where I strongly sugest the 17HMR. If you hit them where your supposed to, it's as consistent as your going to get with any rimfire out there. Way surpasses the 22LR, and in my personal experience, gets the nod over the maggie. Ive killed a bunch of coyotes with the HMR, and those hit well, surprised me as to how hard they were hammered, those hit badly, didn't surprise me, just like any hit baldy with any of the reccomended centerfires.

rockinbbar
08-02-2005, 08:56 PM
I agree Az! Wholeheartedly!

Just because you CAN kill something with a caliber that most experienced people feel is underpowered, doesn't mean you SHOULD use it on a regular basis....

I got deer on our ranch when I was just a button with my 'ol .22 pump, using .22 shorts!
Would I condone it? Nope, no way no how!

I feel the same about the HMR as I always did. It is great for anything up to & including a fox.....

Rockin'

PlushHunter
08-02-2005, 09:13 PM
cause i have no choice beside my bow and shotgun for hunting public land and i refuse to shoot good pelts with a shotgun because i have ruined to many furs blown arms off all that junk and will not use my shotgun for public land so iam gonna look into 17hmr some more cause its faster than 22lr and hits harder but still rimfire cause i shot coyotes dead with 22 lr in head 17hmr should kill them head shots no problem. and my grandpa used to shoot bears in alaska before i was born with a 22lr so its all shot placement im just wondering now more on does anyone have experiance with the savage 17hmrs? ..

Gmoney
08-02-2005, 09:29 PM
I have luck with shotguns not tearing up pelts too bad with BB shot for geese....all there will be is tiny, tiny, holes that will shrink......also try a modified choke instead of a full choke.....

redrover
08-02-2005, 09:32 PM
A lot of guys tell me they wouldn't use the .17 for this or that and thats fine, but my brother bought one for coyotes and never looked back.
I would want to get hit by one at any range It'd probably kill me! LOL

PlushHunter
08-02-2005, 10:36 PM
cause theres no way im using goose loads on coyotes costs to much for a dog id rather use a 22 lr on public land and call them in 20 yards and get head shot and have 1 hole instead of 40 or 50 so if a 22 lr can do it i know a 17hmr can at close range im just wondering if anyone has used the Savage version of the 17hmr's and what they think of them... thnx for the critisizing though

Daryl (deceased)
08-03-2005, 08:03 AM
Plush,

I kinda wonder why you asked this question in the first place? You're already convinced that it'll work, or appear to be, so why ask for the advice of experienced callers?

Like I said earlier, just go get an HMR and find out for yourself.

There's really no need to argue about it, unless that was the intent of starting this thread? This subject can be found on every board that I know of that has anything to do with coyotes and/or the HMR, and every thread I've read has a lot of conflict in it. If you just want to argue, maybe you should try one of them.

Take care,
Daryl

PlushHunter
08-03-2005, 10:57 AM
Read carefully iam saying SAVAGE and MARLIN does anyone have experience with the different brands of hmr's and know which one theyd prefer more thats what my question is and whats the trigger pull like ect.... thats what my last statement says if you read it carefully.... its asking about the quality of the gun alone not the cartridge

Kevin
08-03-2005, 10:17 PM
Hey all I haven't posted in a while (mostly last summer I believe) but it was about buying and using a savage .17 HMR.

After doing extensive research I bought a Savage .17 for $220. (The bull barrel will cost you about $250). As for the gun itself: I have no idea what the trigger pull is in pounds but it is not a Savage Accutrigger (kind of a let down). I don't find it too heavy, nor nearly as light as the one on my friends .222. It's not a hair trigger, but you don't feel like you're pulling a paint bucket when you fire. As for the free floated barrel, and the inherent accuracy of the .17 HMR I have found it a accurate gun for my purposes (squirrels).

I had/have two problems (one with the Savage model and the .17 HMR).

First the Savage does not have any sling attachment points which means you're going to be hand carrying it and cannot attach most bipods out there that I've found (the free floating barrel prevents a lot). If you have a good pair of tall shooting sticks for a sitting shot, this won't be a problem.

Secondly while the .17 HRM shoots a lot flatter than 22LR or 22Mag (I believe the .17 drops 8 inches at 200 yrds and is flat out to 100 and a bit) the fact that it is a lighter round means that winds will affect it more. I sight in the rifle as I go but I have not taken it to an indoor range or shot on a perfectly calm day to realy sight the rifle in so that is probably part of the equation. But I've found medium to long shots (75+yards) very difficult to land.

I've killed birds at around 50 yards and missed a lot of squirrels at 150+ yards.


Any other questions?
-Kevin

PlushHunter
08-04-2005, 12:23 AM
thnx thats the kind of question i was wondering about i think im gonna go back to a 22lr ruger 10/22 and get the mach II barrel later on down the road when ammo is cheaper

Marlin917VS
08-04-2005, 01:35 AM
Actually, the 17hmr isn't affected as much by wind as the 22lr or 22mag because of its higher velocity. I found a website a while ago that showed it, but im tired and going to bed now. If you do get a 17hmr, you shouldnt be upset. I love my marlin and it has worked great for me so far. Very accurate, and more than enough killing power for what I use it on.

Later
Andy

Hitekhunter
08-09-2005, 10:18 AM
The .17 HMR is an amazing cartridge. I shot a "feral" cat last week with the 20 grain .17 HMR and it took the back side of it's head off. This cat weighed 11 lbs 12 oz. and was 32 inches from front to back paws. That being said I would be real leary of shooting a coyote unless it was less than 75 yards away and I had a solid head or heart/lung shot and I would definately use the 20 grain load. Fox at less than 100 yards or less. Any other smaller animal 150 yards or less. The .17 HMR looses punch power after 150 yards. I hit a 12" steel target at 400 yards with the .17 HMR but it didn't even dent the metal - just knocked the paint off!

Too bad you can't use a center fire rifle - than the .204 would be perfect. I'm getting 1.5 inch groups at 400 yards with my Ruger M77 with the grey stainless target barrel, and I'm not stretching that at all. The only thing I don't like about my .204 is it makes shooting anything else a let down!

sav17
08-09-2005, 06:14 PM
Hi Hitek,

the 204 looks to be the business but what do you think about the 17 centre fire ?
your friend...............................Richie