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Lost Hunta
02-05-2005, 07:21 PM
Well a week later i finally got to the range. Foggy and cold i set up at the 50yrd range. 1st shot...hmmm where is it?? 2nd shot.......ALRIGHTT WHERE'S THE HOLE?!?!!?!?!? 3rd shot "shoot the dirt" "it's left bout a foot" says my dad. 4th shot...finally 16" left 8" high from the POA. so move the turrets down and right 5th shot...still 16" L but it went down bout 5" hmmmmmmm scope trouble eh? so having used up all my Hoppes with just one clean time i decided to shoot for groups. same spot and about 2" groups total after 13 shots about i bet tighter with a un-machine marked barrel which chewed the bullets i bet and being for a malfuntioning scope and surplus ammo, that and it was cold for me. So i picked up a Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40 scope so we'll see next week ya.

Brithunter
02-06-2005, 05:00 AM
Hi Lost Hunta,

What type scope is it?

Is this the first time shooting this rifle?

What are the mounts like?

Reason I ask is that when I tried the newly aquired P-H rifle I traded into, it was shooting way left and the scope could not go over far enough in adjustment to put it right on the centre line:mad: On this rifles I am sure it's the mounts are not fited correctly so I have shimmed the front ring on the mount for now and got it shooting central so at least I know it's not the scope which was fitted already. The mounts are P-H alloy ones whihc I do not like so I intended to change them anyway but cannot afford the bases which I want just now, already have the 30mm rings just need the bases but they cost $135 or ther abouts:rolleyes: however they do hold and return to zero so................ already have them on another rifle an dchecked that out.

You seem to be convinced that it's the scope........ any reason to suspect it?

Good luck!

Lost Hunta
02-06-2005, 10:26 AM
Well the scope i had when i shot it was an old Weaver V7-II 2.5-7x32 but i swapped it with a brand new Nikon Prostaff3-9x40 so who knows what'll happen next. Also i was informed that a 1/4"@100yrd is only valued at 1/8 ot 2/16" ,however you want, at 50yrds so maybe i failed to compensate for this eh. It was the first time shooting it so machining marks were in the barrel but i think most are at least almost gone from 19rnds thorough it with one cleaning after 9shots (ran outta Hoppe's). the mounts? ummmm just a one piece weaver style an H&R comes with but it 'seems' straight. The reason i thinks its the scope is that the POI always shifted on my .30-30 but then again when it was on the H&R i didn't know on click only equaled 1/8" at 50yrds so maybe thats why but but at the some time the windage thing was confusing me i had moved the elevation turret down and it moved substantially and it had had less of a a a a move i guess. sorry i was unable to retreive the target.

M1Garand
02-06-2005, 10:35 AM
A good way to get on paper without wasting shots is start at 25 yards. At that range, even if you're way off you should still be on paper somewhere and can adjust closer and move the target out. Saves some ammo and makes it a little easier.

Brithunter
02-06-2005, 06:10 PM
Hi All,

25 paces was where I started with the P-H 30-06 rifle I picked up, then 65 paces before moving back to 115 paces
At 25 yards if the scope has 4 clicks to the inch then to move that inch you have to go X4 so 16 clicks, at 50 yards it would be 8 clicks to move the inch. Perhaps you could get that Weaver fixed. should it turn out to be that. You will know once you ry out teh new scope of course:D

Lost Hunta
02-06-2005, 11:18 PM
lol true but who could do that. I was just gonna sell it on E-bay and if i do i'll send the link if ya wanna go for it

Brithunter
02-07-2005, 12:26 AM
Hi Lost Hunta,

Hmm that may not be such as good idea, unless you specifically mention it has a problem, to many come backs and it just adds up to hassle, either bin it or have it repaired, just my opinion;)

fish
02-07-2005, 10:15 AM
i am experienced handi-rifle owner. i think most of these problems are yours, not the rifle's. first, NO surplus ammo in a .308 win handi-rifle. there are minor dimensional differences in the nato round and commercial round that are magnified by the type of action used by the handi. also, the seal around the crimp can really gum up the throat of your chamber, making cleaning ever more critical. second, pull the mount from your rifle, and bed it with epoxy or jb weld or something similar when you re-mount it. instructions for this are on graybeard.com in the handi forum. second, there is no need to spray lead to get your rifle sighted in. open the thing, nestle it securely on your sandbags and sight through the barrel at a boldly marked target at 25 yards. click your scope settings to match your human eyeball boresight picture. bingo, you're on the paper bigtime. you can do this with any bolt action rifle as well; just pull the bolt. when you shoot off bags, make sure the forearm rests right at the hinge, not way out front. when you pull the trigger, keep it pulled back on the follow-through, gently. this helps with consistent ignition and consistent hold.
i hope this helps. there are lots of other tips on that handi site. good shooting, my friend.

Lost Hunta
02-07-2005, 11:13 AM
is it safe to shoot surp ammo cause i got about 30rnd of Aussie stuff still?

fish
02-07-2005, 01:13 PM
it's perfectly safe. i just wouldn't expect much out of it in the way of accuracy. the handi is built to saami spec commercial civilian ammo.

Marlin917VS
02-07-2005, 04:00 PM
I got military surplus 7.62mm ammo for my 308 and it shot like ****. I'm talking 8-10 inch groups at 100 yards compared to 1inch with normal ammo. It fun to mess around with if you are shooting at steel plates or anything like than, but no groups. Later

deadeye2
02-08-2005, 09:32 PM
A bad scope and bad ammo will make very good rifle look very bad. A very scope and very good ammo will make a very poor rifle look good. If you do not believe this just try it and you will see what I say is true.

Lost Hunta
02-08-2005, 11:25 PM
Well i figure the last 30rnds of Aussi stuff will sight my rifle in and remove machine marks some more, then once that's done buy so new factory ammo and fine tune that sweet rifle of mine into a fine shooter :)

Lost Hunta
02-08-2005, 11:27 PM
Say will this http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jhtml?id=0006806711207a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnString=hasJS=true&_D%3AhasJS=+&QueryText=dot+scopes&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jhtml.22&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=dot+scopes&noImage=0&returnPage=search-results1.jhtml stand up to a Mauser K98's recoil repetatively?
http://a1460.g.akamai.net/f/1460/1339/6h/www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/71/12/07/i711207sq03.jpg

Lost Hunta
02-12-2005, 05:55 PM
Back to the range, I got her zeroed basically but when it shot just over the center a while later after my dad fired it 10times i shot the last 3 and it was higher? Barrel temp likely? Aussi 7.62 NATO Surp. best group was 1"3/4 5 shots
largest was 2" 1/4 with 2 flyers from trigger jerk ( i perfer 2stg with a bit of creep)

azhdryder
02-12-2005, 06:35 PM
Since you are using surplus, Id be happy with the groups you are getting. Gte some Fed 165 gr btsp in the gold box after you have cleaned the barrel. The bullets arent removing the machine marks (copper doesnt scratch steel) its my guess the jackets are just filling in the rough spots. Good copper remover will get all that out with some scrubbing. Once you are settled on ammo, get out to 100yds and shoot for groups again. I had a god awefull 03-A3 with what looked like the rifling machine went postal gouge in the barrel, and with Lake City 30-06 Match it shot under MOA. Barrells are funny, dont get worked up over yours untill you have good ammo and a good rest. It will probably shoot better than you are able to hold it.

Lost Hunta
02-12-2005, 07:33 PM
Im gonna start a barrel cleaning thread to get procedures by many of ya.

Lost Hunta
02-21-2005, 05:55 PM
Well today at the range again with the H&R. Using Hornady 168gr HPBT bullets it put 2 3/4" @100yrds. I feel i can do better but it was below freezing so at this group i litterally couldn't feel my hand at all. For next time i bought 2 boxes of Federal Power-Shok 150gr bullets, I put .30-30 PP Winchester bullets into a 1 1/2 -under 1moa @100yrds so i think i can do at least close with this stuff. Got try my dad's new/used Springfield M1911A1 mil-spec and while fun it jammed twice on CCI 120gr Brass cased rounds

teddy12b
02-21-2005, 06:35 PM
Sounds like you're in love with your new rifle. I've got a H&R 30-06 in synthetic and I'm really happy with that. I'm very interested to see how well you're keeps shooting for you. Congrats on your rifle, those guns are awesome aren't they!

Lost Hunta
02-21-2005, 08:01 PM
why not love it ya know? if you care for it it'll shoot straight and true for you. I do think it'll do better once i get favorable conditons. Also my stance was bad, the bench is too high for me :) so i havta sit on my leg to get high enough and that hurts after a bit.

Lost Hunta
02-21-2005, 08:11 PM
can i see some pics of your gun? lostsniper308@yahoo.com mine, your e-mail plz if ya want pics of mine.

Lost Hunta
03-27-2005, 10:37 AM
Another day at the range, oh but today at a range outside Minneapolis/St. Paul. Rather interesting time too. Got it zeroed @50 and my Uncle says hey shoot that snowball off the 100yrd post (no targets provided had a varitey from Shoot-n-sees to snowballs and tin cans) one shot and blew it into oblivion. Now a few others shot my gun after this and when i finally got it back i could no longer hit the tin cans @50yrds. I don't wanna accuse the gun immediatly for i had gotten smacked by the scope which not only hurt me but due to a not so normal recoil pattern moved the scope a tid bit. Now for a last sentence, before this all happened the first shot i coulda sworn the action locked but after the shot the action simply opened up (I apply the force to open the action before actually disengaging the latch) so this un-nerved me a bit.