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newf
09-24-2009, 10:58 PM
I just got this gun and know very little about it. Hope you guys can help. It is in decent shape but TLC needed. I am planning to do a complete disassembly and thorough cleaning. Should I be doing this and is there anything I should be wary of. I plan to take it apart piece by piece, give it a good cleaning and oiling and simply put it back together. I'm not a gun expert but I treat my firearms very well. This is my first rifle. I was going to buy new but this was much more appealing. It has EB in a circle with a 2 underneath which from reading the post above means it was built in 1979. Was this gun built on an Lee Enfield action? The scope mount was custom made by a local gun smith in Nova Scotia, Canada as the previous owner kept losing zero with an aftermarket one. Can I still get an original Parker Hale scope mount?

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Thanks for any help received,
Fred

Alboy
09-24-2009, 11:48 PM
The P-H experts will be along shortly but I just want to say I really like this rifle, does it have any sisters at Home?

Where is Home.

Welcome to THL

newf
09-25-2009, 09:07 AM
I love this gun as well. I was prepared to buy new but loved the look of this gun. No sisters at home, this is my first rifle ever. I'm originally from Brigus, Newfoundland. http://www.brigus.net/ I now live in Toronto, Canada.

Fred

Branxhunter
09-25-2009, 04:00 PM
Hello Fred, greetings from Australia.

Now I am not one of the previously referred to Parker Hale experts, but that looks to me to be a sporting conversion of the military SMLE .303 action as used by the British and Commonwealth military forces. It looks like it is in very good nick, particularly the stock. I have never seen one of these Parker Hale .303 conversions in the flesh over here, but I think they are the best looking sporting conversions of the SMLE action around. I particularly like the neat job that has been done on the magazine - it looks to have had the bottom cut-off so as to better match the contour of the stock. Keep that in mind - if you want to increase your magazine capacity you should be able to pick up an unmodified Lee Enfield magazine fairly easily. Well bought.

Looking forward to see how it shoots.

Marcus

22hornet
09-26-2009, 04:44 AM
I really like those Parker Hale .303 sporting conversions, being a fan of the Lee Enfield action. Of all of them the No4 action was the best conversion.
The scope mount could have been done to look abit better, not sure if it is a factory Parker Hale mount or not. But as they removed the charger bridge I suppose that is the best style of mount to go with. Brithunter will be able to tell you more.
If you search the P.H. threads you will see a few more of these rifles.
But one really good rifle. :biggthumpup:
Can't wait for the range report.

sakorick
09-26-2009, 08:38 PM
Hello newf. Parker Hale made the finest Enfield conversions bar none. They are a tribute to the rifle itself........wished I could get my hands on one like yours. Beautiful rifle ....enjoy it. Regards, Rick.

LvrLover
09-27-2009, 12:14 AM
Never been a fan of SMLEs, but that one would probably be an exception. Very nice fit and finish.

gitano
09-27-2009, 12:48 PM
Best-looking conversion of a SMLE I've ever seen. Nice rifle.

And welcome to THL.

On a side note, especially since your pictures are hosted at photobucket, if you use the "IMG" format instead of the "HTTP" format, the pictures will be "live" in your posts. (Folks won't have to click on them to see them.) It's not a big deal. Just a matter of convenience. If you want to continue to use the http format, no one, especially me will be offended. I offer these comments not to "correct" or offend, just in case you didn't know.

Here is an example of the difference it would make in your post:

Here's the http option:

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And here's the IMG option:

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I look forward to more of your posts.

Paul

newf
09-27-2009, 02:25 PM
Hi Gitano,
Thanks for the heads up. It's a great looking gun. Just waiting for the experts to jump on here and give me the low down on this gun.

Fred

sakorick
09-27-2009, 03:38 PM
Hi Gitano,
Thanks for the heads up. It's a great looking gun. Just waiting for the experts to jump on here and give me the low down on this gun.

Fred

The expert is a chap named Brithunter. The rifle was built using a Enfield action and since it's polished out so nice the letters and numbers are obviously obliterated. I would guess that it's a newer action perhaps a number 4 Mark 1 or 2. Unfortunately Skennerton does not list these variants like the Santa Fe models. I am suprised it was made so late. I would have expected 1950's rather than late 70's. I also suspect it has had major trigger modifications as well as the magazine. Very little is original Enfield ....the bolt has been streamlined, new barrel, none of the original hardware...pretty much a new rifle. Regards, Rick.

Brithunter
09-27-2009, 07:12 PM
Hi All,

Now I have looked at all the photos and will readily agree that it's a beautiful rifle. May I thank you for the lovely clear photos. The one of the proof mark clearly shows the Private View mark and now what I am about so write will surprise if not shock a few of you:-


The code E...B in a circle dates the rifle as 1979.


Yes Rick P-H did these conversion until very late and as has already been pointed out it's a No4 conversion and the polishing has removed the original marking from the left wall of the action.

newf
09-27-2009, 08:33 PM
Hi Brithunter,
Thanks for your reply. I found this site after I got my gun. It is a great site. I have read the full thread of "Parker Hale Unvieled" Found the info very helpful.

-Can you be sure that this is a NO 4? What version is it? It's registered in Canada as a Parker Hale 303 NO 1 Custom. I have attached three more pictures of markings I found but the second one is only a partial mark.

-Why is the bolt (firing mechanicism) 2 stage?

-How do I remove the firing pin?

-How do I remove the hood from the front sight?

-Will the magazine accept gun blue?

-Can I get an original scope mount for this gun? Is it 1 pc or 2 pc? The one that came with the gun was custom made for the original owner. I don't care for it much. I would like to get an original or a good aftermarket replacement.

Thanks very much for your help,
Fred Spurvey
Toronto, Canada

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Brithunter
09-29-2009, 04:54 AM
Hi newf,

-Can you be sure that this is a NO 4? What version is it? It's registered in Canada as a Parker Hale 303 NO 1 Custom.

Yes it is a No4, now you don't really expect the licensing people to know anything about guns do you :eek: ?, the left wall of the action gives it away as a No4. The profile of the No1 is totally different. Of course P-H machined away the lugs at the rear of the action that held the rear sight and charger bridge.

Why is the bolt (firing mechanicism) 2 stage?

It's not .................. it's the trigger which is two stage as it was a Military design. They can be made single stage but in all honesty I would leave it two stage. The trigger can be worked over to give a nice clean break. May I suggest you get a-hold of the books on the No4 by Steve Redgwell a fellow Canadian. He was an armourer with the CAF.

How do I remove the firing pin?

This requires a special tool to unscrew the firing pin. In all honesty unless it's broken or the coc-king piece is damaged I would leave it alone. They are very robust :biggthumpup: . However Steve's book explains it all.


How do I remove the hood from the front sight?

The fore sight hood just slides off. It's a spring fit and if your not going to be using it Rick is always looking for them.

Will the magazine accept gun blue?

It should do as it's just steel and looks to be the std P-H conversion with a flat plate at the bottom of the cut down No4 magazine. The rifle can also use the std 10 round No4 magazine but not the No1 magazine as the ribs at the rear of the magazines are different.

Can I get an original scope mount for this gun? Is it 1 pc or 2 pc? The one that came with the gun was custom made for the original owner. I don't care for it much. I would like to get an original or a good aftermarket replacement.

Sorry but I have never seen the side mounts for these Customs, not in person :shy: , the P-H mount for these is #29 but that's just the mount it still requires the rings and due to P-H dovetail size that really mean P-H rings.



On another note I just discovered that the P-H one piece mount I brought some while agao is a #26 and it fits the Remington 740/742 and 760 rifles. Hmmmm you live and learn, now if I could find what I did with the box it came in and locate where I had put those P-H sporting aperture sights ( a couple of P-H 16's ) :Banghead: must have a sort out sometime.

sakorick
09-29-2009, 07:56 AM
Great job BH. I thought it was a No4 too. For Fred.... Brownells make an inexpensive jel cold blue that is named 44/40 instant blue that will touch up your mag nicely. You can find them on line. They are located in Montezuma, Iowa. Regards, Rick.

newf
09-29-2009, 04:56 PM
Hi Brithunter,
Thanks very much for your continued help. The more I learn, the more I want to learn about this gun.

Quote:
-Can you be sure that this is a NO 4? What version is it? It's registered in Canada as a Parker Hale 303 NO 1 Custom.
Yes it is a No4, now you don't really expect the licensing people to know anything about guns do you :eek: ?, the left wall of the action gives it away as a No4. The profile of the No1 is totally different. Of course P-H machined away the lugs at the rear of the action that held the rear sight and charger bridge.


What version of No4 is it. Is it a MK1, MK1*, or mk2 or something else? Here is a link I found that to me indicates it is a MK1.
http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=2250 (http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=2250)



Quote:
Can I get an original scope mount for this gun? Is it 1 pc or 2 pc? The one that came with the gun was custom made for the original owner. I don't care for it much. I would like to get an original or a good aftermarket replacement.

Sorry but I have never seen the side mounts for these Customs, not in person :shy: , the P-H mount for these is #29 but that's just the mount it still requires the rings and due to P-H dovetail size that really mean P-H rings.


I'm not sure I understand your answer above due to my limited knowledge of this gun. Can I use the P-H mount and rings or am I limited to the sidemount? What are my options for mounting a scope on this gun?

My brother just called to say he bought a 303 Enfield possible a No4. I will get some photos for identification.

Thanks for your help and I'm sure to have more questions.

Thanks Rick and the rest of you guys for the imput. It has really helped me to learn more about this gun.

Regards,
Fred

Brithunter
09-29-2009, 05:41 PM
Well it looks like a No4 Mk1 as the trigger is mounted on the trigger guard. On the Mk2's there was a tab inletted in to the butt socket that carried the trigger. This is to make the trigger pull more consistant as some claimed the Mk1's could alter with moisture and weather due to the stock swelling or contracting. Some how I think it's BS but..............

As to scope mounts where on the rear of the action would one attach? My No4 sporting conversion still has the rear charger bridge so that's where the rear scope base goes.

I have not personally seen or held a P-H custom so I am not sure exactly how they did the rear of the action.

newf
09-29-2009, 06:56 PM
Hi Brithunter,
I was confused about the mount as I had no idea what it looked like. I realize now that it will not work with my gun as it has no charger bridge like yours. I have attached some photos.
Can I get an original P-H scope side mount and rings or a good aftermarket set?

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Regards,
Fred

Brithunter
09-30-2009, 04:05 AM
Hmmm well the mount is not pretty but it does work :undecided: now as I said I have not seen one of the Customs in person only in the P-H catalogues. I had a Supreme No1 built on a BSA 1916 action that had seen service in Australia. And a De Luxe No1 also on a 1916 BSA action that had served with the NZ forces. I no longer have either having to sell them to pay bills when unemployed some years back.

Now the top of you mount seems well made along similar line to the P-H one it's the bottom of the mounting bracket which lets it down. B-Square might make a side mount?

Other than that I just don't know. As for the original P-H mounts.............. never having seen one here for sale I am thinking that Canada might even be a better bet to locate one as it seems a lot of these were exported to Canada..

newf
09-30-2009, 08:06 PM
Hmmm well the mount is not pretty but it does work :undecided: now as I said I have not seen one of the Customs in person only in the P-H catalogues. I had a Supreme No1 built on a BSA 1916 action that had seen service in Australia. And a De Luxe No1 also on a 1916 BSA action that had served with the NZ forces. I no longer have either having to sell them to pay bills when unemployed some years back.

Now the top of you mount seems well made along similar line to the P-H one it's the bottom of the mounting bracket which lets it down. B-Square might make a side mount?

Other than that I just don't know. As for the original P-H mounts.............. never having seen one here for sale I am thinking that Canada might even be a better bet to locate one as it seems a lot of these were exported to Canada..


Hi Brithunter,
I just don't like the look of this mount. What is it about the bottom that lets you down? Tried B-Square and they didn't have anything. I tried one of my gun shops and they have a mount with Weaver base that I'm going to look at in a couple of weeks. I also found this one that looks like it might do the trick but can't be sure. I was hoping someone else on here maybe able to help as well.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=36238/pid=16153/sku/SM_71_Side_Mount_Base

Regards,
Fred

Brithunter
10-01-2009, 03:53 AM
Ahhh I forgot about Williams sight mounts :Banghead: . They have their own web site so I suggest a visit and maybe contacting them and asking.

The mount you already have does not look finished at the bottom and it's appearence jives with that of the top as the top looks well finished in the photos :undecided: .

Of course ideally a Jaeger mount would really be the Bizz but finding one :undecided: that would be the problem. Lyman also made a similar type mount. It has a dovetail rail that bolts to the side of the action and the rings of the mount attach to a dropped down rail tha slides into the dovetail and locks with cam levers.

This type of mount is Old school and found on classics like Griffen & Howe rifles and Holland & Holland bolt action Mausers a little like these:-

http://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/index.html?specialmounts.html~maindeal

but these are Apel and rather spendy :eek: good mounts though I have Apel mounts on three rifles, two sets of their Roll offs and one rifle with EAWswing mounts.

This Mannlicher has a Jaeger mount on it:-

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Mannlicher-Schoenauer-MC-30-06---Price-Reduced.cfm?gun_id=100087510&CFID=6277725&CFTOKEN=48047061

and this one a Griffin & Howe:-

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Mannlicher-Schoenauer-Model-1952-30-06-SPRG.cfm?gun_id=100101920

Hope that gives you some ideas.

newf
10-01-2009, 09:26 PM
Ahhh I forgot about Williams sight mounts :Banghead: . They have their own web site so I suggest a visit and maybe contacting them and asking.

The mount you already have does not look finished at the bottom and it's appearence jives with that of the top as the top looks well finished in the photos :undecided: .

Of course ideally a Jaeger mount would really be the Bizz but finding one :undecided: that would be the problem. Lyman also made a similar type mount. It has a dovetail rail that bolts to the side of the action and the rings of the mount attach to a dropped down rail tha slides into the dovetail and locks with cam levers.

This type of mount is Old school and found on classics like Griffen & Howe rifles and Holland & Holland bolt action Mausers a little like these:-

http://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/index.html?specialmounts.html~maindeal

but these are Apel and rather spendy :eek: good mounts though I have Apel mounts on three rifles, two sets of their Roll offs and one rifle with EAWswing mounts.

This Mannlicher has a Jaeger mount on it:-

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Mannlicher-Schoenauer-MC-30-06---Price-Reduced.cfm?gun_id=100087510&CFID=6277725&CFTOKEN=48047061

and this one a Griffin & Howe:-

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Mannlicher-Schoenauer-Model-1952-30-06-SPRG.cfm?gun_id=100101920

Hope that gives you some ideas.

Hey Brithunter,
You have given me a number of great options. Thanks for all the help. The mount I have is not even counter sunk to accept the screw heads and the holes are sloppy. Nothing to hold the scope in place. I don't think I could ever get it to zero and stay there, not with any confidence anyway. I have some good optios now but money will of course be considered as well. I will let you know what I decide and post pics.

What do you think of this mount? http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews/cadtechnikno4/index.asp
What is the ejector screw for anyway?
Fred

Brithunter
10-02-2009, 06:10 PM
Ahhh the Cad Technik mount attaches to the rear sight mounting hole of the std No4. That hole and where it is of course has been machined away by Parker-Hale so it won't fit your rifle. Now I lied when i said I had not seen P-H #29 mount as I found one whilst looking for something else. Don't get excited though as it's butchered and exactly how the rings attach beats me. Seems you need a rail to screw to this mount then the rings clamp on the rail :eek: hmmm not good ................. not good at all.


Had this kicking about for years and didn't know what it was for and had completely forgotten about it till it turned up in a junk tin I was sorting through :shy: don't even know where it came from :shy: .

The ejector screw is to deal with stubborn or stuck cases. most case flip out before hitting the screw but occasionally you find one that sticks to the bolt face of extractor and the ejector screws whacks the rim and kicks it out.


Have you tried contacting Epps sporting goods? They did a lot with 303's so may have something :)

newf
10-02-2009, 06:21 PM
Ahhh the Cad Technik mount attaches to the rear sight mounting hole of the std No4. That hole and where it is of course has been machined away by Parker-Hale so it won't fit your rifle. Now I lied when i said I had not seen P-H #29 mount as I found one whilst looking for something else. Don't get excited though as it's butchered and exactly how the rings attach beats me. Seems you need a rail to screw to this mount then the rings clamp on the rail :eek: hmmm not good ................. not good at all.


Had this kicking about for years and didn't know what it was for and had completely forgotten about it till it turned up in a junk tin I was sorting through :shy: don't even know where it came from :shy: .

The ejector screw is to deal with stubborn or stuck cases. most case flip out before hitting the screw but occasionally you find one that sticks to the bolt face of extractor and the ejector screws whacks the rim and kicks it out.


Have you tried contacting Epps sporting goods? They did a lot with 303's so may have something :)

Actually if you look closely it mounts using only the ejector screw and the safety screw holes or am I missing something?

Fred

Brithunter
10-05-2009, 03:42 AM
Hmmmm I thought the the mount used the rear sight bridge as part of it's support and that's what the two big adjusters bear on but it does make it clear. To my mind the only thing that that mount has going for it is the cost as it's an ugly looking lump. I cannot fathom how he can claim is a good looking rig :eek: however it's on your rifle so it's up to you :greentongue: .

newf
10-06-2009, 03:13 PM
Well this thing is one of a number of options. It is butt ugly I agree. I will continue to look and make my decession based on function and looks. Thanks again for the help.

Fred

Big Banger
11-09-2009, 02:08 PM
Hi newf,
Nice .303! Try Ellwood Epps Gun Store www.ellwoodepps.com (http://www.ellwoodepps.com) in Ontario, they might have the side mount you are looking for. I have also found them on Canadian Gunnutz www.canadiangunnutz.com (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com) but they sell fast.
Mat
ps they sometimes show up on ebay too.

wingy
11-23-2009, 05:47 PM
hi i have the same rifle, iv,e had it for 30 years and it has been a great rifle, it,s bagged a lot of deer and has never let me down. there easy to take down and refinish as i have done mine a couple of times due to strachs in stock and general wear and useage. i see it came from nova scotia thats were i am from and where i bought mine.

good luck and happy hunting


mark